​'I could have been a left-wing guerrilla in Columbia. Whatever would have grabbed me at the right time, I was ready for.' What ended up grabbing Frank was neo-Nazism. What ended up grabbing Jesse was jihadi extremism. What happens when we look beyond ideology?

This episode was produced with generous support from the Gen Next Foundation, which leverages a venture philanthropy framework to build paradigm-shifting social ventures with a wide footprint of impact. Their partnership with ISD and Google Jigsaw created the Against Violent Extremism (AVE) network. It is the first and only network of former extremists and survivors of terrorism. Leveraging their powerful and authentic voices, this peer-to-peer solution disrupts radicalization and hate group recruitment.

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Musicians + Tracks:

• Chris Peck: Matope 1
• Tannhauser: Rock Off, Ötzi, Fin de Año
• David Sestay: Ladybird's Theme, Mountains
• Rob Voigt: Outro

​Remember the bombastic black intellectual Glenn Loury from episode #5, and his story of sex, drugs, politics, and religion? Voilà another round with him, in collaboration with the venerable podcast Love + Radio.

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​'I went through 4 years of college, 3 years of law school, and a 2-year judicial clerkship without ever really thinking about the way our criminal justice system functions.' That's the admission of Preston Shipp, a former tough-on-crime prosecutor for the state of Tennessee. Tune in to find out what drove him to leave his role as a prosecutor, and shift from 'cog in the wheel' of the criminal justice system to advocate for criminal justice reform.

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